ECP has left embodiment

Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:34 am Post subject: ECP has left embodiment

Elizabeth Clare Prophet left embodiment on Oct-15 2009.

End of an era there!

Her husband Mark is generally held to have made his ascension... any news about Elizabeth?

Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:05 am Post subject:

Well, it would seem that her passing has had one major consequence - namely the conferring of the office of the Two Witnesses to Kim and Helen.
Ref: discourse by Jesus in Israel (Oct-28), ARJ "What's New"

Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:27 am Post subject:

Hi John,

What do you mean in your above post about the two witnesses? I'm still working on getting those files downloaded.

I been meaning to post in this topic since you posted, but I haven't. When ever someone crosses over it makes me happy for them, but a bit sad at the same time and then I don't know what to say.

Christ Love,
Janise

Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:52 am Post subject:

Hi Janise,

RE the office of the Two Witnesses. This is an office that is mentioned in the Book of Revelation, (chapter 11), and was held by Guy & Edna Ballard, then EC & Mark Prophet. With the passing of ECP, Jesus has announced that the office is now held by Kim & Helen... in the course of the Oct-28 discourse this happens formally. Monroe & Carolyn Shearer of the Temple Of The Presence claimed to have been given the office at the point when the sponsorship of the Summit Lighthouse was discontinued.
Also, Master More officially withdraws the sponsorship of any further progressive revelation from the Shangra-la organization in his dictation of Oct-25.

Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:45 pm Post subject:

Hi John,

I got the files downloaded and listened to them a few times. They are addicting to listen to over and over and over again. And then I can't wait for a new one to be uploaded on ARJ so I can download and listen to that one too.

One of my birds, Shadow was sitting on the perch that's attached to the outside of his cage, and mom had the one from Master More playing and Shadow was sitting on his perch acting like he was giving the message. Laugh

It was very cute to watch, but also very funny, but more cute than funny. Both birds really perk up when we play those messages, and they really get into listening to them, it is very cute when they do that.

I wonder how many two witnesses there will be, and I wonder how safe it was for Kim and Helen when Kim was giving those messages like he was, and the others who were with them. And the thing with Shangra-la ending as in progressive revelations being brought forth through Kim, I wonder what kind of drama will be created by the ones who don't want to move on with the Masters.

More than likely ECP will be giving a message through Kim soon, as there are probably many who are sending their thoughts her way, which she will pick up and then respond. All I can see of her from my third eye is that she has a huge smile on her face. Does she have blue eyes? If she didn't she does now.

Christ Love,
Janise

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:07 am Post subject:

About the "two witnesses"... I have to be honest here and simply speak what is in my heart.

I don't believe the two witnesses is a spiritual office for the Aquarian Age.

I notice the dictation in question has not yet been transcribed for the ARJ site. Here is an extract:

Jesus: "Now my beloved, let me point out to you that when I walked this earth - these hills of Galilee, I was accompanied most of the time by my beloved companion, Mary Magdalene. We held back then, my beloved, a spiritual office called the Two Witnesses - those who embody, those who hold the flame of Christ in the masculine and feminine polarity; and in coming together in union, in oneness, in harmony, they can hold that spiritual office. And beloved, with the passing of a previous messenger from a previous dispensation, I Jesus now pass this office on to Kim and Helen, to hold this office of the Two Witnesses as it was held by Mark and Elizabeth in a previous dispensation. They have asked for this, they have agreed to this at inner levels."

I believe this is significant because it shows us that even Kim is having difficulty letting go of the Piscean Age consciousness.
(As we all are, of course).
Jesus has passed on an office that belongs in the old age because Kim and Helen wanted it, but it expresses the fact that a higher understanding of this passing on is required.
Notice how Jesus:
1. emphasizes the PREVIOUS messenger and the PREVIOUS dispensation
2. states clearly that Kim and Helen are to hold the office, "...AS IT WAS held by Mark and Elizabeth in a PREVIOUS dispensation."

That is a sure sign that the "ARJ movement", (for want of a better phrase), is running into stagnation and is not penetrating beyond the constraints of the matrix originally provided in order to enable a bridge in consciousness to be built between the Piscean Age and the Aquarian.

Most assuredly I continually look for a higher understanding, but that is my understanding at this time.

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 9:05 pm Post subject:

Hi John,

I think that the two witnesses are the ones who dedicate themselves to continue to provide progressive revelations to those who have eyes to see, and ears to hear. But the witnesses aren't concerned for who reads or hears the progressive revelations, but that they are just bearing witness to Christ Truth as it is revealed or given to them.

If you look at the history of who the two witnesses were in the past is that they all gave a higher teaching then the last two witnesses, and so with Kim and Helen is that they are continuing to bring these higher teachings to people's awareness, but they aren't concerned for who receives them. As they just give without expecting any thing in return.

It's like a flower that blooms as that is what it does, it doesn't concern itself with who might notice it, or care about the opinions of others, and so a flower that is blooming just IS. So, to me the two witnesses are just witnesses just like the flower that blooms. Another is the Sun that shines regardless of what people think or do. I mean, mankind could blow up Earth and the Sun would still shine. And so Kim and Helen are just being the Sun, the flower that blooms.

Anyways, these are my thoughts and does it make sense to you?

Christ Love,
Janise

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:50 am Post subject:

Hi Janise,

Yes, what you're saying makes sense in the context of the twin flames idea, where the twin flames are also witnesses. But the spiritual office that Jesus is talking about in the second Israel dictation is something different. It's the office that is claimed by Temple of the Presence at this time also.

The New World Consciousness has many more than two witnesses - and I don't believe it is any longer true to say that the highest teachings are coming from any one particular source, including ARJ. There are many people involved in progressive revelation at this time, some of whom would not even regard what they are bringing to the collective consciousness as "revelation".
Even when we look back to the 20th century, as the Piscean Age was winding down... was Einstein not bringing progressive revelation to the collective consciousness? I would say his contribution to the enlightenment of humanity will be seen retrospectively as of equal importance, (at the very least), with the I AM Activity & the Summit Lighthouse.
And Einstein was just one solitary 20th century example - there were hundreds more in very diverse fields of activity.

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:17 am Post subject:

Hi John

And yep for me too, in that I don't believe that the office of the two witnesses is held by only two people at a time. The book of revelation is very much written in an allegorical way. I believe that any one who teaches others the spiritual path, who wakes people up just by them being who they are in whatever they do are also witnesses to Christ Truth and that Christ Truth is given at many levels or layers to it. And so they would also be two witnesses as well, but it's just an allegory.

I think when any messengers think that they are the only ones, is when it becomes more along the lines of duality. However, some people can become confused as to what teachings to follow for a time, and so I do see how some messengers will claim to be the only messenger so this will give certain people away to stick with a certain teaching for a time before they wake up to knowing that there are other messengers with teachings that can help them too.

And even Einstein can be included in with the two witnesses too.

Christ Love,
Janise

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:52 am Post subject:

Hi John,

I was rereading your post above and you mentioned about twin flames. I know I wrote about twin flames on this website, but I been thinking about taking it off the website and it's because when I had my near death experience and was in the Spirit World with the Light Beings, and when I was being shown and my questions were being answered, is I became very consciously aware of that there aren't any twin flames, nor have their ever been twin flames.

When I was with the Light Beings, it made perfect sense in knowing that it is impossible for there to be twin flames. The belief and teachings that surround the concept of twin flames served a purpose, even though there never have been twin flames.

Here is something else I learned, or remembered when I was with the Light Beings was that the I AM Presence, or your Godself is YOU minus the human ego. And that your I AM Presence is part of, what can be called a Super Higher God Self that has extentions of itself that has 1,000 I AM presences, and you are one of the 1,000 that are all part of a group of souls, but you are still individualized soul.

So these 1,000 souls, which are created from a super Higher GodSelf that are extentions of itself go out into the world, reincarnating together so that the super Higher GodSelf can experience More of who it is Through YOU/them.

Eventually you and me, and everyone who reaches that point will go on to be be a Super Higher GodSelf and create 1,000 extentions of ourselves that go out and we experience the More through them.

This has been going on forever, as there has never been a beginning, and there won't be an ending. I could probably explain this better, because when I was with the Light Beings, it made perfect sense and like how could it not be any different. But then, after I returned to my body and over the months and think about all I learned, remembered and experienced over there, and I try to wrap my mind around it, it feels faded a bit, as in it doesn't make as much sense here as it did when I was over there. It's totally weird how that is, but it is.

Please don't get me wrong in thinking that you share in a group soul, like the animals are part of a group soul. You are just part of a group of souls that are created from ONE Super Higher God Self that experiences the More through it's creations which creates individualized souls in the count of 1,000 that share life together in some way shape or form. You will know when you come across one of these souls in embodiment because you have a strong heart connection with them, and that explains why you can have a strong heart connection with many people and not just one, which the concept of twin flames could confuse a person if they have many connections with people. Such as those who have been married more than once, or have more than one set of parents and so on.

Christ Love,
Janise