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Hans-Peter I AM God Vision Joined: 17 Sep 2009 Total posts: 157 Location: Switzerland Age: 52 Gender: Male Gold Coins: 6312
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 Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 5:34 am Post subject: |
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A few more thoughts on perception and awareness
We are consciousness and consciousness cannot see anything that happens in this world.
So we need a vehicle to do so, being our physical body that is capable to receive direct firsthand information from and back into this world, serving us as an interface.
Still, even with the body we cannot interact directly but need a higher form that is more compatible to interact with consciousness, being the emotional, mental and higher mental or identity realm that we are probably referring to as aspects of the soul.
This is pretty obvious in those cases where we wake up with having slept on a twisted arm. As we wake up it feels like our whole arm is completely numb. There is no chance to even raise the hand and when pressing on it with the other hand it feels alien, as if it were not part of our body.
A little later, the feeling returns and we are gradually able to resume its full functionality.
The arm is perfectly warm, so it is not because of an insufficient blood circulation, it must be something else, probably the nerves that don’t interact with the feeling because of some blockage. With the effect that we cannot move as long as we do not have any feelings by which we can propagate our will to move the arm.
So without feeling I cannot interact with this world. Feeling that works both ways, the way to carry out my will as a desire to do something and the resulting experience of its effect upon matter as an action. If I have no feeling I have no control because control without feedback is not possible.
So I have realized that feelings or emotions are the primary interface to act upon matter, even in our physical form.
And vice versa, all that we see in the world of form is not a direct experience since any perception from the outside world will come in through the physical senses, is then recreated as a visual, emotional or mental experience in the corresponding mental or emotional realm through our awareness. Through this, we are capable to identify with and interact within ourselves as a first step.
As consciousness recreates out of itself an outside condition within, it affirms the outside condition in itself as this is in resonance with an event that is currently happening in the outside world according to its state of mind and relation to it.
If I experience this what I live through within myself as a reality that I cannot change, the outside reality I thereby confirm and support because my life goes into the world of form to sustain it through my feeling that is radiated from within me.
If I experience this what I perceive only as an observer, from the point of view of consciousness that desires to expand God’s kingdom into this world.
I see that I do not need to confirm the reality of pains and suffering that exist in the world of form through my emotional world.
I see that the feeling doesn’t depend on the conditions but that I am the one that creates them instead.
So I can just as well ask to be filled and feel myself one with the Love that I would like to bring into the world instead, by experiencing the higher Reality of what I know that I AM, being a unique expression of the Love of God.
As I do this, my life does not support the given circumstances through my feelings.
Instead of it, I create a command for the matter world to conform to the picture and resonance of Love that I am holding as a feeling that is radiated from within me again, creating a better world.
As a result, Christed beings are not ignoring evil, but they are not feeling the need to interact in the same evil manners. Instead, they superimpose their goodliness instead.
They are acting from the world of Love and since they do not feel the hurt and atrocities, they do not need to conform and avoid it.
They can be in the midst of evil and it hurts them not. They can share of their Presence and remain whole for as they are constantly living from the Love of their Father within, this perfect Love is protecting them from all harm, from the experience of harm.
So I see enlightenment as the awareness of being capable to connect to the flow of the Love of God and become an expression thereof instead of being compelled to experience the suffering of the atrocities of the world by my feelings of attachment to it.
As long as I am not willing to recognize that my own feelings create and support the suffering within me, I will be tempted to remove the cause of the outside conditions and by its struggle and reaction upon others create still more suffering in an endless loop.
If I wish to be free of pains and hurt, why not create the feeling nature of wholeness and experience it until it becomes a reality, for a reality it will become.
Begin with the little world of your body and have it confirmed as a reality to begin with, being a gorgeous practice ground. Try it out, it works.
There exists no reason why we should not express God’s Love at any moment. We don’t even need the suffering to make us aware of what we should bring into this world for our freedom to expand Love doesn’t depend on evil. We don’t need to wait for evil to wake us up, but if it does, it is all right  .
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| John Mortimer The Conscious You - brighter than a thousand suns!
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| Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Hans-Peter, Janise and all... this is Mr Procrastination here! 
Hans-Peter, your wonderful post is SO stimulating for me because it is just calling out for the teachings Mother Mary wants to bring forth about the nature of embodied reality...... and you know why there is a delay?
Me - that's why.
I confess, dear brothers and sisters, to feeling unable, (and yet I know the emotion is irrational and illusory), to bring myself to let Mother Mary present these teachings through me right now because they are so radical and "out there". It's like I keep hoping someone else will do it; and if I wait long enough I know someone else will indeed do it and Mother Mary is ok with that.
Mind you - maybe this procrastination is important because my talking about it like this will prove to be useful for others later on.
For now, I will offer my apologies and some comments on what you wrote, Hans-Peter.
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We are consciousness and consciousness cannot see anything that happens in this world.
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The I AM Presence chooses, as a kind of default option, to not see anything that happens in this world other than what is created by the Christ consciousness.
The I AM Presence cannot directly experience anything as part of the material universe, for it is not a part of the material universe.
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So we need a vehicle to do so, being our physical body that is capable to receive direct firsthand information from and back into this world, serving us as an interface.
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The physical body acts as an interface with the physical realm.
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Still, even with the body we cannot interact directly but need a higher form that is more compatible to interact with consciousness, being the emotional, mental and higher mental or identity realm that we are probably referring to as aspects of the soul.
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The physical body does have a distinct consciousness, known as the "carnal mind" in Pauline Christianity. We might think of it as the "body computer". It is wonderful in its own way but represents a relatively low consciousness.
Again, my understanding at this time is that the physical body is an integral part of the soul-vehicle. The traditional, (Greek), dualism of the body vs the soul is an expression of spiritual frustration.
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This is pretty obvious in those cases where we wake up with having slept on a twisted arm. As we wake up it feels like our whole arm is completely numb. There is no chance to even raise the hand and when pressing on it with the other hand it feels alien, as if it were not part of our body.
A little later, the feeling returns and we are gradually able to resume its full functionality.
The arm is perfectly warm, so it is not because of an insufficient blood circulation, it must be something else, probably the nerves that don’t interact with the feeling because of some blockage. With the effect that we cannot move as long as we do not have any feelings by which we can propagate our will to move the arm.
So without feeling I cannot interact with this world. Feeling that works both ways, the way to carry out my will as a desire to do something and the resulting experience of its effect upon matter as an action. If I have no feeling I have no control because control without feedback is not possible.
So I have realized that feelings or emotions are the primary interface to act upon matter, even in our physical form.
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Yes, the nervous system "feeling" is a fractal expression in lower vibrational density of the way in which the emotional body co-operates with the mental and identity bodies.
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And vice versa, all that we see in the world of form is not a direct experience since any perception from the outside world will come in through the physical senses, is then recreated as a visual, emotional or mental experience in the corresponding mental or emotional realm through our awareness. Through this, we are capable to identify with and interact within ourselves as a first step.
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Yes, I know what you're saying and you're quite right.
However.... see this idea of the "outside world", (which implies an "inside world")???? Those "worlds" really are one.
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As consciousness recreates out of itself an outside condition within, it affirms the outside condition in itself as this is in resonance with an event that is currently happening in the outside world according to its state of mind and relation to it.
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Oh yes! 
THIS is where you're being stimulating, Hans-Peter... LOL!
I've been using an excuse with Mother Mary to, as it were, argue against the bringing forth of the teachings she wants to give here - and the excuse is basically that no-one would understand it or accept it anyway, so what's the point?
Your paragraph above proves that my excuse is worthless!
I think you and Mother Mary are in cahoots! 
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If I experience this what I live through within myself as a reality that I cannot change, the outside reality I thereby confirm and support because my life goes into the world of form to sustain it through my feeling that is radiated from within me.
If I experience this what I perceive only as an observer, from the point of view of consciousness that desires to expand God’s kingdom into this world.
I see that I do not need to confirm the reality of pains and suffering that exist in the world of form through my emotional world.
I see that the feeling doesn’t depend on the conditions but that I am the one that creates them instead.
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This is SO true... it is a major aspect of the New World Consciousness and I think for all of us it will take a lot of contemplation to really internalize.
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So I can just as well ask to be filled and feel myself one with the Love that I would like to bring into the world instead, by experiencing the higher Reality of what I know that I AM, being a unique expression of the Love of God.
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Amen!
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As I do this, my life does not support the given circumstances through my feelings.
Instead of it, I create a command for the matter world to conform to the picture and resonance of Love that I am holding as a feeling that is radiated from within me again, creating a better world.
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Absolutely right!
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As a result, Christed beings are not ignoring evil, but they are not feeling the need to interact in the same evil manners. Instead, they superimpose their godliness instead.
They are acting from the world of Love and since they do not feel the hurt and atrocities, they do not need to conform and avoid it.
They can be in the midst of evil and it hurts them not. They can share of their Presence and remain whole for as they are constantly living from the Love of their Father within, this perfect Love is protecting them from all harm, from the experience of harm.
So I see enlightenment as the awareness of being capable to connect to the flow of the Love of God and become an expression thereof instead of being compelled to experience the suffering of the atrocities of the world by my feelings of attachment to it.
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Wonderful! Yes!
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As long as I am not willing to recognize that my own feelings create and support the suffering within me, I will be tempted to remove the cause of the outside conditions and by its struggle and reaction upon others create still more suffering in an endless loop.
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Exactly... and this is the same old tired cycle we have seen again and again and again in the world and within ourselves.
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If I wish to be free of pains and hurt, why not create the feeling nature of wholeness and experience it until it becomes a reality, for a reality it will become.
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Amen - this is alchemy. |
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| Janise Loving Liberty
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:48 am Post subject: |
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Hi John and Hans-Peter,
Ever since Hans-Peter sent me those CDs with the past retreat messages on them, I end up listening to those CDs, and when I go on the computer and try to do anything like post or check emails I rather be listening to those Messages.
And quite frankly the ones from Saint Germain always leave me feeling a bit guilty for not doing more, which I could be doing much more than I've been but I'm not. For example I could be writing for the website, which I've done a lot of writing but I don't upload the pages onto the website for some odd reason.
I did come online last night and was going to reply to Hans-Peter, but could not get that wanting to listen to another message out of my system so I could concentrate on posting so I just x'd out and listened to a message and then listened to another before finally turning off the computer and going to bed.
And Hans-Peter it's ok for us to go off topic, as it will happen from time to time, but we always go back to being on topic at some point, or we atleast try. But I feel that it's good to go with the flow and if speaking from your heart means having gone off topic, that's ok to do that, for me it's ok.
Ok, tomorrow when I come online I'll post what I was wanting to post last night, but didn't.
And btw. I Love listening to the messages from the Masters and so does my mom. I can't wait for more to be released.
Christ Love,
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| Hans-Peter I AM God Vision Joined: 17 Sep 2009 Total posts: 157 Location: Switzerland Age: 52 Gender: Male Gold Coins: 6312
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Hi John, Hi Janise,
recently I watched a few NDE youtube videos and in one of them there was an old guy who reported some of his life's reviews in which there was one occasion where he stole Coke can's from the neighbor's garage as a youth and was so very happy that nobody found out and nobody saw it!
And when being in the presence of this loving Beeing he felt akward for having believed so and for having stolen the cokes. When looking at it, that loving presence just said, there is nothing good or bad, it is only a learning experience .... and that happened with every other experience that he felt guilty for.
Likewise, it doesn't even make sense to think we have done something imperfectly or not lived up to the highest potential and have any feeling of remorse.
It all serves to but one end, to make us decide and choose more. Anything else is irrelevant.
Starting to think about it is the first step to the more but it is also a test for us whether we are capable to see what is needed next instead of trying to either justify, condemn or blame one's self in self-pity for anything, being one of the 3 strategies by which our ego holds us ensnared in the maya of illusions.
So anything, even our self-critical remarks are not needed as soon as we move on. We only need to see and there is no need for anything else because nobody becomes more or less by a relative comparison.
You have no idea how much I procrastinated, but I don't mind any more. Maybe it was even needed to thus sink into the lower consciousness of non-will in order to transcend it. I even welcome my past mistakes and even those that I happen to make now, for when I see them as such I have the power to transcend them. And that is all they can possibly be good for.
There are things that try to hold us back and there are things that have the power to pull us up like for instance rosaries.
But all of this has not the power to move us either way. It is us, our consciousness that has to learn to move.
So if a rosary has achieved its purpose of having us caused to move into the desired direction, it is enough, it doesn't become more through praises and fame.
Likewise, if we have learnt to move our consciousness into the state of being where the rosary is supposed to help us come to, we have not only given a rosary but we have fulfilled the purpose of the rosary.
So as we progress, we can look at the essence and purpose of a rosary and just go there without even giving it! 
But in order to know what it is about, we may still need to read it in order to thus BE it!
So I think a rosary is to move spirit, and if this is not possible, it is about removing the obstacles so spirit may move freely in the end.
Likewise, nothing was ever done in vain, not even our little shortcomings as they can also help us to begin to move spirit.
In addition, sometimes it takes a wise teacher to say nothing at the point when he realizes that his students may find a given solution on their own, being the most wonderful moment for a teacher.
In the new world consciousness, competition doesn't exist. It doesn't matter who speaks it because it is about the blessing and the joy it is capable of imparting to those who heed it instead.
And in the future, we will have to get used to the fact that Christ is rising in many people and the Divine Mother desires to express through all of her children.
Christ Love,
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| John Mortimer The Conscious You - brighter than a thousand suns!
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 4:36 am Post subject: |
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So anything, even our self-critical remarks are not needed as soon as we move on. We only need to see and there is no need for anything else because nobody becomes more or less by a relative comparison.
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Very true!
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In addition, sometimes it takes a wise teacher to say nothing at the point when he realizes that his students may find a given solution on their own, being the most wonderful moment for a teacher.
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Again... very true.
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In the new world consciousness, competition doesn't exist. It doesn't matter who speaks it because it is about the blessing and the joy it is capable of imparting to those who heed it instead.
And in the future, we will have to get used to the fact that Christ is rising in many people and the Divine Mother desires to express through all of her children.
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Absolutely. Indeed even now it is the case that the Divine Mother is expressing through the many rather than the few. As you say, Hans-Peter, all are equally valuable and all have the same unlimited potential. |
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| Janise Loving Liberty
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| Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 12:45 am Post subject: |
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Hi John and Hans-Peter,
Yep, what you said about the NDE life review is very true in how it was for me. I felt no judgment coming from the Light Beings, which are the Masters we call in the Material world, it was I who had the problem with feeling certain ways at certain times when being shown a replay of my life. But for my life review there was so much positives that there was no negatives shown. However, when I was in embodiment at the time, I wouldn't have seen everything in a positive light. But those negatives we think are negatives in embodiment are really positives for us to learn from and grow from.
And the best part about the life review was the laughter coming from everyone who was watching my life review which was everyone who was there. They really Love it when you can laugh at yourself for the silly things we can do from time to time, which for me there was a lot to laugh about. The thing that they wanted to show me was no matter how rough life had gotten for me many times, I always could very quickly bring some type of humor into many serious situations I was in or that was going on around me.
Have either of you read very many of the NDE books that are out there? I have a lot of NDE books which when I first started reading them I was looking for someone who had a similar experience I did, which I only found one person who did. But from what I can make of the different NDEs that people have had and including my own is that each person will experience the afterlife based on their personal state of consciousness they are in at the time of their death. Because each one of my NDEs were different.
And the weird thing is is that for many years I wanted to return and go back home and even thought many times of taking my own life, and then when I do go back Home for a little while, I wasn't ready to leave the material world yet, which I have a strong Love for my mom and for about a year now my sister who has changed big time. My sister for the past year has actually been very open to learning from the ARJ website and when my mom brought up to her about Mother Mary rosaries and offered her one to take home, my sister accepted and gives the rosary when she can. Shocks me to no end.
I didn't really reply to anything that was said other than about the NDE, but I just want to say again that there is no one judging anyone when you cross over. Life is all about learning and growing into being a Kind, caring, compassionate Loving Person who is full of Joy, Laughter, and has a drive to create that for other people, and much more which is to much to list everything. But there are those who need a good talking to from time to time to wake up, but there are those who will do this that are focused on removing the splinter from other people's eyes instead of removing the big beam in their own eye.
Ok, enough rambling.
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| Anne Magda I AM God Liberty Joined: 17 Sep 2009 Total posts: 51 Age: 24 Gender: Female Gold Coins: 3144
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| Quote: | Our physical bodies are the most dense manifestations of our souls.
How often do we feel that we are basically, primarily physical in nature and thus ignore the fact of our emotional bodies, which allow us to feel emotions?
How often do we think that we are basically, primarily physical in nature and thus ignore the fact of our mental bodies, which allow us to think thoughts?
How often do we identify ourselves as basically, primarily physical beings and thus ignore the fact of our identity bodies, which allow us to create identities?
How often do we accept less than the Christ consciousness as our own, thus ignoring our Christ Self?
These current bodies of flesh and blood will be transformed into lightbodies. The lightbody will be the new physical body, made of light vibrating within the physical spectrum.
Are we truly ready for that?
I think most of us would have to say in all honesty, "No".
What can make us ready?
One thing that is beginning to help me in this regard is the regular contemplation of the fact that I AM not primarily a physical being... my soul has a physical aspect that is but one of my 4 lower bodies.
Neither am I primarily my 4 lower bodies... I AM far more than those.
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Hi John,
I loved how you mentioned in another thread that when Mother Mary introduced the concept of the Conscious You she really wasn't beating around the bush! She could have described it as our 'conscious selves' but in saying Conscious YOU what she is clearly telling us is that this is what ultimately makes you YOU. We say My body, My emotional self, My etheric self, My I AM presense, but who ultimately is this Me? It's THE infinite Conscious YOU. The reason we can't know the Conscious You with the intellect is that the intellect is necessarily a product of the finite, the specific, the localized. Instead it can only be experienced. The concept always made sense to me because I have personally experienced the Conscious You. It's very hard to describe in words but the best I can do is it's the realization that it's actually You - actually YOU - here, experiencing things through a physical body, and the first time it happens it seems like a miracle. Although our I AM presense, our soul and even our physical body have their own built-in self awareness this self awareness is to a greater or lesser extent more computer-like, since these selves are all finite. Yet when you experience the Conscious You there is no mistaking it. I'm trying to live more from the Conscious You although at the moment I can only manage it a few seconds at a time.
For me the realization that I AM pure individualized awareness is the most amazing thing I can recall! |
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| John Mortimer The Conscious You - brighter than a thousand suns!
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Hi John,
I loved how you mentioned in another thread that when Mother Mary introduced the concept of the Conscious You she really wasn't beating around the bush! She could have described it as our 'conscious selves' but in saying Conscious YOU what she is clearly telling us is that this is what ultimately makes you YOU.
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Hi Anne
Yes, the release of the Conscious You teaching in the West was a truly momentous event. Buddhism, (Zen in particular), has maintained teachings and practices that almost amount to the same thing. However, there is an interesting note of caution that should be sounded here when we review the Buddhist tradition in this regard.
Jesus gave a series of Koans in which various representatives of religious and spiritual thought went to a movie theatre and the Buddhist prefers to watch a blank screen with pure white light from the projector rather than a movie. 
The Buddhist tradition took on a "via dolorosa" all of its own when the sense of being a victim of karmic cycles entered it. The idea was that you just went round and round from one incarnation to the next, balancing karma. The ultimate goal became the balancing of all karma and then regaining the reality of, (what we would call), the Conscious You. There is no sense of More... regaining the Conscious You is the end in itself, paradise regained.
Similarly - and this is what really motivated Mother Mary's release - we can easily imagine an ascended master student becoming aware that he/she has an unknown quantity of karma to balance. Fear suggests to that person that many embodiments may be required to balance that karma and so it would be prudent to just dig in there and give as many decrees as possible and set about doing all manner of outer things that would balance karma... make as much progress as possible in this lifetime and then set to it again in the next lifetime and maybe sometime ascend. This leads to the consciousness of being a victim of cosmic forces beyond one's control. An Ascended Master school via dolorosa.
Mother Mary comes along with the her teachings on the Conscious You and - BAM! - everything changes. All of a sudden there is both an immediate and liberating refuge from the via dolorosa mindset and all the incentive to work with inner reality is back where it belongs... in the hands of the empowered & sovereign individual.
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We say My body, My emotional self, My etheric self, My I AM presense, but who ultimately is this Me? It's THE infinite Conscious YOU.
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Yes, the real infinite you is the Conscious You.
The real finite you is the I AM Presence.
The soul-vehicle is a creation of the I AM Presence.
That is the perspective of reality. No ego, no illusions.
Why then do we hold on to illusions of the ego?
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The reason we can't know the Conscious You with the intellect is that the intellect is necessarily a product of the finite, the specific, the localized. Instead it can only be experienced. The concept always made sense to me because I have personally experienced the Conscious You.
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Yes, a certain "knowing" of the Conscious You is attainable with the intellect but not gnosis... experience is necessary for that. Just like Maitreya's discourse about knowing what an apple is. You can gather immense amounts of data on apples but to know what it is like to eat one you simply have to eat one.
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It's very hard to describe in words but the best I can do is it's the realization that it's actually You - actually YOU - here, experiencing things through a physical body, and the first time it happens it seems like a miracle. Although our I AM presence, our soul and even our physical body have their own built-in self awareness this self awareness is to a greater or lesser extent more computer-like, since these selves are all finite. Yet when you experience the Conscious You there is no mistaking it. I'm trying to live more from the Conscious You although at the moment I can only manage it a few seconds at a time.
For me the realization that I AM pure individualized awareness is the most amazing thing I can recall! |
I heartily resonate with that amazement, Anne.
The only thing I would like to add to that is this:
The I AM Presence and the soul-vehicle are both powered by the Conscious You and this of course points to the dynamic polarity between the infinite and the finite in God reality.
Although the I AM Presence is finite it continually becomes more of itself.
I've just thought of a mathematical example of the Infinite - Finite polar dynamic.
A circle of given radius is a finite entiity. The number of radii that could be drawn within that circle is infinite. Yet if we expand the circle and thus give it a longer radius and greater area, (More finite radius, More finite area), then the number of radii that could be drawn in the new circle is infinite yet undeniably more than the previous infinity.  |
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| Anne Magda I AM God Liberty Joined: 17 Sep 2009 Total posts: 51 Age: 24 Gender: Female Gold Coins: 3144
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| Quote: | I've just thought of a mathematical example of the Infinite - Finite polar dynamic.
A circle of given radius is a finite entiity. The number of radii that could be drawn within that circle is infinite. Yet if we expand the circle and thus give it a longer radius and greater area, (More finite radius, More finite area), then the number of radii that could be drawn in the new circle is infinite yet undeniably more than the previous infinity. |
Oh boy, you've really outdone yourself this time John. I think what you've brought up here is just so important because it's something so often missed - just because something is infinite does NOT mean that it's static, has no identitiy/personality/structure and is just a bland, blank screen. Singularity is not nothing, but everything! This is the mistake the Buddhistic tradition makes when trying to describe Pure Awareness/Singularity. Mathematician Georg Cantor actually came up with a proof of this - he showed that there are an infinite number of possible infinities, and even more exiting, that an infinity and grow to become a bigger infinity. In other words, the Conscious You can also become the More!
How I see it is the Conscious You is our own personal, unique Great Central Sun (alpha aspect), and our I AM presence, Light body, Soul vehicle, and physical body are like the physical universe (omega) in miniature. In fact both are infinite, but in different ways - the Conscious You has infinite Being, but the physical Self can transcend itself an infinite number of times in an infinite number of ways - it's only if you look at a single 'snapshot' of the physical self that it is finite. The Conscious You expresses it's free will in it's ability to identify with whatever it wants (even as the finite), and the Physical Self expresses it's free will in the ability to take on any Form it desires. Both the Conscious You and the Physical Self are becoming the More, but the Conscious You does this in the more passive sense, the Physical in the more active sense (and here you can see developing what I said before about how Father IS Mother. From this perspective, it's Mother which is the active one)
| Quote: | Jesus gave a series of Koans in which various representatives of religious and spiritual thought went to a movie theatre and the Buddhist prefers to watch a blank screen with pure white light from the projector rather than a movie.
The Buddhist tradition took on a "via dolorosa" all of its own when the sense of being a victim of karmic cycles entered it. The idea was that you just went round and round from one incarnation to the next, balancing karma. |
You know I actually used to feel quite repelled by Buddhism for this very reason - the seeming blankness and passivity of it really made me run a mile in the opposite direction! It's funny because most people seem to see it as one of the most inoffensive religions. I have to confess than even now when I hear the statement "non-attachment to outer results" I feel a little uneasy. I guess seeing that I (currently) embody the Western/exoteric principle strongly the errors in it were more glaring to me than to others. Yet Orthodox Christianity certainly couldn't explain what I knew I had experienced since I was seven either. Only Mother Mary's teachings could do that.
| Quote: | | Fear suggests to that person that many embodiments may be required to balance that karma and so it would be prudent to just dig in there and give as many decrees as possible and set about doing all manner of outer things that would balance karma... make as much progress as possible in this lifetime and then set to it again in the next lifetime and maybe sometime ascend. This leads to the consciousness of being a victim of cosmic forces beyond one's control. |
Yep, that's such an easy pitfall, and one that can feed off your very best intentions. I know when I first came across ARJ I felt a great inner knowing that this embodiment was supposed to be my last and a great desire to enter the ascention spiral, but then my carnal mind started saying "don't be silly, knowing your ability to screw up, you no doubt have TRUCKLOADS of karma. Better just knuckle down and agree with everything Kim and Lorraine say, so you at least do not make yet more." Ironically I fell into the very Buddhist-like trap of passivity that I'd been trying so hard to avoid. |
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| John Mortimer The Conscious You - brighter than a thousand suns!
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Hey Anne!
| Anne Magda wrote: |
- just because something is infinite does NOT mean that it's static, has no identitiy/personality/structure and is just a bland, blank screen.
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Absolutely! In times passed I had a very intense aversion to the Christian theological doctrine of "the Eternal State"... a state of supposed perfection at the consummation of all things. The very phrase, "The Eternal State" just screams "STATIC! - Ain't nothin' gonna change round here!" 
Urghh... it gives me the creeps even now, the very mention of the, "eternal state". 
I remember literally weeping for joy and relief when I read the teachings on ARJ about the perpetual Self-transcendence of God!
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Singularity is not nothing, but everything! This is the mistake the Buddhistic tradition makes when trying to describe Pure Awareness/Singularity.
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Ah, how beautiful to contemplate the truth you state, Anne, when it is known that from the highest perspective there is nothing other than the One - and therefore truly, singularity is All.
To be fair to orthodox Christian theology - this truth is strongly reflected in the doctrine of the simplicity of the Divine Essence. The essential nature of God is infinitely simple - it is One absolute purity.
Now to be fair to Buddhism, (definitely Zen Buddhism), there seems to be a never ending challenge to discard what you think you know about singularity. Certainly, as you indicate, Anne, the traditional Buddhist view gets hold of the "zero", the "void". But Zen challenges people right to end with, "It is what it is... it's not void and it's not not-void". The idea being to force the analytical mind to let go of the concept, so that duality is transcended by the higher midddle way.
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Mathematician Georg Cantor actually came up with a proof of this - he showed that there are an infinite number of possible infinities, and even more exiting, that an infinity and grow to become a bigger infinity. In other words, the Conscious You can also become the More!
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It certainly can!
Georg Cantor is someone I've recently become aware of... a real, (underestimated), hero of mathematics it seems. Unfortunately my mathematical learning to date is insufficient to appreciate his works at the level at which they were written.
None the less - orders of infinity - infinities operating like numbers in higher dimensions - the infinite set of all possible infinite sets.... oh yeah, I love it!
| Anne Magda wrote: |
How I see it is the Conscious You is our own personal, unique Great Central Sun (alpha aspect), and our I AM presence, Light body, Soul vehicle, and physical body are like the physical universe (omega) in miniature. In fact both are infinite, but in different ways - the Conscious You has infinite Being, but the physical Self can transcend itself an infinite number of times in an infinite number of ways - it's only if you look at a single 'snapshot' of the physical self that it is finite.
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Yep - I get what you're saying. My understanding is that the physical body is part & parcel of the soul vehicle and so I wouldn't personally make a distinction between the soul-vehicle and the physical body. But yes, I agree with everything you say there. From a higher perspective, it is somewhat artificial to say, "Here is finitude" & "Here is infinity".
And you make a very important point about the physical body... it can indeed transcend itself an infinite number of times. There is no "natural" physical death and the physical body does not need to die through disintegration, it is more natural for it to die through self-transcendence every Planck-time.
| Anne Magda wrote: |
The Conscious You expresses it's free will in it's ability to identify with whatever it wants (even as the finite), and the Physical Self expresses it's free will in the ability to take on any Form it desires. Both the Conscious You and the Physical Self are becoming the More, but the Conscious You does this in the more passive sense, the Physical in the more active sense (and here you can see developing what I said before about how Father IS Mother. From this perspective, it's Mother which is the active one)
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Wonderful! Yes - the Father-Mother polarity is truly dynamic.
The analytical mind is marvelous in its own way, but if we allow the analytical mind to elevate an perceived snapshot of reality to the level of the absolute then we are deluding ourselves.
| Anne Magda wrote: |
You know I actually used to feel quite repelled by Buddhism for this very reason - the seeming blankness and passivity of it really made me run a mile in the opposite direction! It's funny because most people seem to see it as one of the most inoffensive religions. I have to confess than even now when I hear the statement "non-attachment to outer results" I feel a little uneasy. I guess seeing that I (currently) embody the Western/exoteric principle strongly the errors in it were more glaring to me than to others. Yet Orthodox Christianity certainly couldn't explain what I knew I had experienced since I was seven either. Only Mother Mary's teachings could do that.
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It's really interesting, because my experience is almost a mirror image of that. I espoused Christianity from about 1980-2007, but in that time I was always very drawn to Buddhism and its perceived nihilism. I realize now that this was due to a deeply embedded anger in me.
Despite coming to Mother Mary's teachings from an almost opposite direction they brought me, (just as was the case with you), such blessed illumination.
| Anne Magda wrote: |
I know when I first came across ARJ I felt a great inner knowing that this embodiment was supposed to be my last and a great desire to enter the ascension spiral, but then my carnal mind started saying "don't be silly, knowing your ability to screw up, you no doubt have TRUCKLOADS of karma. Better just knuckle down and agree with everything Kim and Lorraine say, so you at least do not make yet more." Ironically I fell into the very Buddhist-like trap of passivity that I'd been trying so hard to avoid. |
Oh yes... believe me... been there, done that. |
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